tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2570110401685103625.post5331254929535834572..comments2023-10-30T05:05:37.758-07:00Comments on Immigration Talk with a non-hyphenated American: Secure Borders -- What Does it Take?ultimahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2570110401685103625.post-28687492713095292952007-07-16T15:04:00.000-07:002007-07-16T15:04:00.000-07:00"Terrible book!"Have you read it?"Terrible book!"<BR/><BR/>Have you read it?ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2570110401685103625.post-55002069892409723272007-07-16T15:03:00.000-07:002007-07-16T15:03:00.000-07:00Mirror say, "Being an American is a birth right, n...Mirror say, "Being an American is a birth right, not something you earn with a high school education, as if that was something to be proud of! If that were the case more than 25% of America's population would have to get deported to some dunce corner of the world."<BR/><BR/>Someone posted on Dee's site all about the pledge of allegiance and all the other good stuff they learned and practiced in school. That is what I meant by a high school education. Even if they weren't born here, they may have an opportunity to become citizens or at least permanent residence. A high school diploma, whatever it means these days, might represent a factor in their favor since presumably they would have been exposed to civics, history, the pledge, etc. There might be some corner of the world or Mexico where even the dropouts would be considered well-educated.ultimahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13624967903736347171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2570110401685103625.post-84251569350268841902007-07-15T07:09:00.000-07:002007-07-15T07:09:00.000-07:00From a Texan perspective: Most of the land along ...From a Texan perspective: Most of the land along the Texas/Mexico border is PRIVATE property. The Minutemen were kicked out of Texas all the way to Canada by property owners in Texas. Cindy Sheehan was also kicked out by the property owners of Texas. She was forced to protest from the highway, remember? <BR/><BR/>Some of these property owners are ranchers; they have cattle that drink water from the Rio Grande. Those farmers do not want to give up that land for the military, or for the construction of a wall or detention centers. Like I said, they got tired of the Minutemen and all they were doing was borrowing it. And I wouldn't doubt that some of them are against illegal immigration. <BR/><BR/>What do you do about them?<BR/><BR/>"Those apprehended should be put to work building those facilities and the other border infrastructure for the duration of their stay in this country. This is not slave labor. That is just hyperbole. This is a way of recouping the cost of apprehension and detention pending an immigration decision." <BR/><BR/>One important thing to note is that, under the current law, it is very difficult to prosecute someone for being in this country illegally. I don't have a complete grasp of the specifics, but from what I understand, the only punishment the law permits is deportation. The only illegal immigrants eligible for major jail time, simply for being here illegally, are repeat offenders. This is why illegal immigrants are simply deported without facing jail time. <BR/><BR/>With that in mind...<BR/><BR/>Can you please direct me to a moment in time where prisoners have willingly worked for nothing?<BR/><BR/>Inmates in the US get something in return (prison money, favor in their next parole hearing, yard privileges, visitation privileges), but their participation is voluntary.<BR/><BR/>So, how can you legally force someone to work, if you can't even legally put them in jail?<BR/><BR/>"Employers may recruit the paroled border violators on the Mexico side of the border in facilities organized and funded by the Mexican government but only U.S. state employment offices will be authorized to examine the evidence presented by an employer to prove that he has advertised for American workers to no avail, having offered a fair wage by American standards and a hiring preference for citizens." <BR/><BR/>First of all, the unemployment rate in this country is so low that you can never fill the jobs illegal immigrants hold. And that's without discounting for the percentage of people in the US who cannot work or do not want to work or who are in between jobs. <BR/><BR/>So... What is the fair wage for a dishwasher/bus boy/cook? A gardener (not a golf course gardener, but the kind that only know how to operate yard maintaining equipment)? A nanny? And all the other low-skilled jobs illegal immigrants fill? <BR/><BR/>I am aware of the deplorable conditions some illegal immigrants work in and that some work for under the minimum wage, but most, work for reasonable wages in reasonable conditions. Fine, Americans should get a fairer wage and everything else, but how much more can it really be if, in the end, they will also be low-skilled workers? Either way, they're not going to be making enough to support a family in this country, they are going to need government support regardless. <BR/><BR/>"Repeal NAFTA."<BR/><BR/>Unlikley.<BR/><BR/>"Schools, hospitals and other service organizations must be required to verify the immigration status of all individuals before any service can be provided."<BR/><BR/>Hypothetical, a person arrives to the ER, unconscious and losing blood quickly, how do you verify their immigration status? You can't do it by looking at them, there are blonde haired and blue eyed people in Mexico, and there are black haired and brown eyed people in America. <BR/><BR/>With that in mind, how can YOU prove that you aren't an illegal? You can be an illegal from Canada or even from Mexico that has been living with a stolen identity. You can show me your birth certificate, ID, school photos, baby foot prints, but documents and pictures can be forged, and even finger prints can be faked. You really can't prove that you are really you without DNA testing. <BR/><BR/>You have obviously put a lot of thought into this, but most of it calls for dramatic changes in the Constitution, current laws (domestic and international), the thoughts of private property owners in the border states, State Governments and the Federal Governement, higher State and Federal taxes, even agreements between countries . Radical to say the least, no? <BR/><BR/> <BR/><BR/>I would also like to add, repeat, that I am FOR border security, just against a wall for symbolic reasons. Not only will border security control the flow of immigration (which I don't believe is out of control or anything) but it will also control the flow of illegal drugs.<BR/><BR/>Even though the drug most smuggled from Mexico is Marijuana, which is home grown in the US in larger quantities, border security will basically eliminate the need for the drug cartel wars that are devestating some Mexican cities (along the border, especially) because the US market won't be as profitable as it is now.mirrorismhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11920074301509114901noreply@blogger.com