Working for logical immigation reform based on a stable population, a recognition of the finite nature of our natural resources and the adverse impact of continued growth on our quality of life, standard of living, national interest, character, language, sovereignty and the rule of law. Pushing back and countering the disloyal elements in American society and the anti-American rhetoric of the leftwing illegal alien lobbies. In a debate, when your opponents turn to name calling, it's a good sign you've already won.

Friday, August 17, 2007

I Love Stupid Gringo Politicians!

31 comments:

ultima said...

I love stupid Gringo politicians. When they wake up to the fact that they no longer hold sway in Mexifornia, they will have second thoughts about the period when they had their collective heads in the sand but then it will be too late. By mid-century we should have enough Hispanic voters, both legal and fraudulent, to take over the White House and the congress. Then we can accelerate confiscatory taxes for the rich Gringos and extend the welfare state for our dual citizens. Mexico North will be a fact and we will have brought America's quality of life into equilibrium with that of poor Mexicans. Then Canada will be next. It will be the greatest reconquest of all time. It will be like Japan's dream of a Greater Co-prosperity Sphere. Except this will not be a dream. It will be the Gringos' worst nightmare and the reality. My son will be there to preside over the North American Union under full Hispanic control.

tweety said...

This seems to be the the mindset of most hispanic politicians too. Enter the U.S. illegally, breed and then conquer by numbers. This will guarantee their political clout in this country and the conquest will be complete. Goodbye to the America we once knew.

We must as patriotic Americans stop this Mexican takeover of our country or lose it forever.

Dee said...

The word "breed" is very demeaning.

Dee said...

Ultima, You know the politicians in our country are not stupid. You know they are not swayed by other countries´leaders. You know they each have their own, well-studied agendas. Right or wrong, don´t mistake any actions by politicians as stupid or as being swayed.

mirrorism said...

ultima, this is the feeling I get from my Mexican grandfather about the relationship between Mexico and the US. Note, this is probably not close to his idea because it is biased with some of my thoughts; and this is probably, maybe even most definitely, not what Mr. Calderon thinks.

Enjoy! It was a joy to write!

Norteamericanos,

Nosotros, Mexicanos, estamos igualmente, y en algunos casos especiales, mas, cansados de el matrimonio entre el país nuestro y el de ustedes; aunque nos duele por una parte, buscamos un divorcio; en verdad, por bien de los dos. O quizás, por lo menos, una separación temporal en el que tengamos suficiente tiempo para contemplar nuestro relación sin quejas y demandas irracionales por la parte suya. Así quizás, nuestra y su inevitable desplome no sea evitada mas, y quizás, improbable pero no imposible, finalmente, el norteamericano podría apreciar al mejicano y el mejicano dejara la obsesión con el neo-liberalismo en el pasado.

Nosotros nunca decíamos que el matrimonio entre los dos países sea tan dependiente en cada uno; nosotros en el alivio monetario que nuestros compatriotas manda a los que están afectados tanto por la desigualdad que aun crece en nuestro país, así como crece en tantos países latinoamericanos que aun también insensatamente siguen al modelo gringo; ustedes, en el alivio que los mismos compatriotas les da a su clases medias y altas; en forma de poder de consumidor gigantesca que disfruta el anterior, y en forma de obra barata y crecimiento demográfico que anhela tanto el último.

Para concluir rápidamente este mensaje--en parte porque, en verdad, yo no sé de lo que estoy hablando, a fin de cuentas, soy norteamericano, como tu, y en parte porque no sé si estoy escribiendo correctamente--querría decir que nuestra relación nos causa mas daño que ayuda y tiene que terminar; si aun deseas nuestra ayuda--yo se que deseas y necesitas nuestra ayuda--hay que igualar la situación en nuestras negociaciones; permita que nosotros no repetimos las tácticas viejas que negociaron el tratado de libre comercio de américa del norte--en el que no hemos recuperado, y ustedes benefician todavía--es la única manera de continuar esta relación en la armonía relativa.

mirrorism said...

ultima, it was almost as unpleasant to read your comment as it was enjoyable to channel my grandfather in that message. Yuck!

tweety said...

Ultima can correct me if I am wrong but I don't think he speaks Spanish, so why not translate your Grandfather's thoughts to English for all of us here?

tweety said...

According to Dictionary.com

Breed: 1. to produce (offspring); procreate; engender.

What's so offensive about the word?

mirrorism said...

Well, I figured he might know of a translation website, that way he can know the enemy. But let me summarize it a little just in case...

Americans,

We, Mexicans, are tired of our marriage... even though it hurts we must divorce... Maybe we will stop avoiding our inevitable collapse... Maybe the American will learn to appreciate the Mexican and the Mexican will leave neo-liberalism behind...

We never meant for our marriage to become so interdependent... We are helped by our countryman's remittances... Your middle-class enjoys their giant purchasing power... Your upper-class enjoys cheap labor and population growth...

In conclusion, our relationship causes us more harm than good, it must end... but you still insist in it's continuation... therefore we must take a more equal footed approach to our negotiations... It is the only way to reach relative harmony between the two countries.




And tweety, animals "breed," humans procreate.

tweety said...

I provided the dictionary definition. If you don't like it that is your progetive. Not surprising though from someone who probably calls illegal aliens, undocumented immgrants.

ultima said...

Yep, I agree it is unpleasant, perhaps even in poor taste. The question is: "Is this the reality that many are unwilling to face up to in their myopia?"

Okay, now that we have heard from you and your grandfather, tell us what you think Calderon says in private to his closest associates.

ultima said...

Dee, perhaps stupid is the wrong word but I don't doubt that it has been applied to our leaders by many foreign powers and officials. Certainly, several in Germany and France and perhaps even England were saying as much in private, and the newspapers were doing it in public. So when I post that I was really putting words in Calderon's mouth similar to the words of officials in Europe who disapproved of our involvement in Iraq.

I agree the politicians have their own agendas that doesn't necessarily mean that they are unusually bright, glib perhaps is the better term for them. The fact of their agendas is what bothers me the most. They are fiddling while Rome is burning and they probably have a political rational for making music at this time instead of paying attention to the long term outlook.

Nothing I have said is intended to insult any individual Hispanic or Mexican. I just tell it like it is or, at least, how I see it.

ultima said...

Mirror says, "We are helped by our countryman's remittances... Your middle-class enjoys their giant purchasing power... Your upper-class enjoys cheap labor and population growth..."

Giant purchasing power minus the cost of welfare, education, obstetrical care, and the costs of apprehension, detention and deportation. Is this a negative number?

mirrorism said...

tweety, were you bred? Did you breed your kids?

When have I ever written about undocumented immigrant? I don't care one bit about their titles--I don't care one bit about any title we Americans give to our fellow Americans--you can call them evil brown invaders from mars if you wish.




I don't know what Calderon says... I mean, I'm not completely ignorant about Mexico, but I will always provide a disclaimer about my knowledge of it:

**I DO NOT KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT**

However, I don't think his relationship with the US is like you imagine it; e.g. Bush is his puppet.

I think Mexico and the United States believe that this is an issue that the capitals of both countries--Los Pinos and the White House--will have to work out; not anyone reading this blog.

I think America always has the upper hand in its negotiations with Mexico. Calderon would like to have equal standing in the negotiation process, but he probably knows that he's never going to get it.

I think Mexico realizes that its #1 export, by far, is people--labor; the US accepts the labor, surge in its population, and, in a lot of cases, a form of taxation without representation; in return Mexico gets... a few years of remittances, if they're really lucky a decade or two, per emigrant.

Of course, neither of the countries brag about those facts, but they are what they are.

Mexico and the US now want a formal agreement in place; I am not exactly sure what is really pushing this effort though.




Nobody consumes as much as the US, therefore that number cannot possibly be in the red.

Lupita said...

I don't know what Calderon says...

Just as every descendant of Native Americans instinctively communicates with trees and rivers and just as every descendant of slaves seeks justice above all, so does Mirrorism commune with the inner thoughts of Felipe Calderón by virtue of his/her Mexican grandfather and the magic of multiculturalism.

If not, just make something up. The average Gringo will believe whatever you say regarding Mexico.

mirrorism said...

LOL... I agree... I think... That is why I prefaced it by saying that I didn't know what I was talking about.

mirrorism said...

Weren't you supposed to start a blog? Immigration Talk with a Mexican...

Lupita said...

Since Dee has Immigration Talk with a Mexican-American and Ultima has Immigration Talk with an American, I thought about starting my own which would be Immigration Talk with an Illegal. However, I would have to post on a regular basis and I really do not know what I would write given that I am not that interested in the topic.

On MATT I posted on other topics. I wonder where Gregorio is? He opened interesting threads. Maybe he could start an Non-Immigration Talk blog. Or how about you? I noticed that one can click on your moniker but it does not lead anywhere.

Lupita said...

I think MATT got tired of us and closed the forum. Icorona has taken a bit too long for maintenance, no? I do not blame him/her. We were the same old posters arguing about the same old topics day after day after day.

Todo por servir se acaba.

tweety said...

I think perhaps Matt is having trouble finding a moderator to replace that awful biased one who ruined the forum for all of us and we all know who that was, don't we?

Being a moderator is a demanding job and requires an unbiased approach and IMO a moderator should never be allowed to participate in discussions of the issues on the forum.

Yes, as arguments did occur and we mostly focused on illegal immigration but since the site was about Mexicans and Americans thinking together, there is not one topic that is so important today with our two countries except illegal immigration.

Many of the arguments happened because the moderator was biased and participated in the discussions and broke all the forum rules herself of civility. We have her to thank for ruining the forum for us all.

ultima said...

Mirror says, "in return Mexico gets... a few years of remittances, if they're really lucky a decade or two, per emigrant."

If we accept this as the case, what policy should Calderon follow? Isn't it logical to assume he will follow a policy that will not only maintain the level of remittances but increases them over the years by aiding and abetting increased illegal emigration from Mexico.

ultima said...

Mirror says, "Mexico and the US now want a formal agreement in place; I am not exactly sure what is really pushing this effort though."

What is the nature of this formal agreement? What does Mexico want and what does the U.S. want in the agreement?

ultima said...

Mirror says, "Nobody consumes as much as the US, therefore that number cannot possibly be in the red."

That consumption includes health care, education, welfare, emergency rooms, and social services. In other words we consume services as well as products at a rate much greater than the rest of the world. The natural resources we consume as a result include water, arable land, petroleum,and other minerals.
If you factor this into your consumption figure, maybe the net goes negative. Since we hear so much about the poorly paid illegals, how can the consumption be very great for these folks?

ultima said...

Lupita says, "If not, just make something up. The average Gringo will believe whatever you say regarding Mexico."

No,the average Gringo will accept whatever is posted as mere opinion, at least in this particular case. It's just a matter of getting another opinion about what Calderon might be thinking. Surely bright folks like Lupita and Mirror must have some idea where Calderon is coming from. Tell us what you think Calderon's position is or should be, without the usual sarcasm. There doesn't seem to be much hesitancy to read W's mind, perhaps because there is so little of it.

ultima said...

Mirror said, "... this is the feeling I get from my Mexican grandfather about the relationship between Mexico and the US."

This is a fairly astute observation. What kind of education did your grandfather have in Mexico? What kind of work did he do? I believe you said you were an architect, didn't you? As you say, "It's is always well to know your enemy." Actually, I don't consider you and enemy. I enjoy your posts and observations. They indicate that you do think about these issues.

Lupita said...

Tell us what you think Calderon's position is or should be, without the usual sarcasm.

Calderón is a neoliberal stooge of imperial capitalism, speculation, and usury. What he wants is to favor his buddies in the global oligarchy, some of which are Mexican.

Fortunately, the Ponzi schemes he learnt to administer while at Harvard under the guise of public administration are unraveling as I write. The system by which McConsumerism is financed by McLoans and manned by McWorkers, many of whom are illegal, may well be in its last throes.

This will undoubtedly be a boon for the environment, world peace, and national self-determination.

Lupita said...

While writing my last post, the words "neoliberal" and "Ponzi" appeared underlined as errors. I wonder what that means? Maybe it points to the ideological deficiency of the English language in its late imperial stage. If so, the Anglospehere is trapped. Your only salvation is implosion.

Dee said...

You title reminds me of the ANTI website: wehategringos.com
Both are silly titles by the ANTIs meant to stir up emotions.

I believe America is a great country. I believe Mexico is a great country. I believe both countries are allies. I believe America needs as many allies as possible because we have far too many enemies.

I believe the ANTIs, in making up these titles are trying to make an enemy from a country that is our friend.

Dee said...

Next you will say Babalooie was not QuicksDraw}s best buddy and Dora is not an explorer but an illegal anchor baby.

Shame on you!

Dee said...

For you my Dear Ulty, and those San Antonio nights of long ago:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49lFPyzTfjw

mirrorism said...

Or how about you? I noticed that one can click on your moniker but it does not lead anywhere.

I had a blog (that's why you can click on my name), but it was terribly uninteresting-and depressing-so I deleted it.

There is one gregorio who comments on matt's blog, I think that's him.

Isn't it logical to assume he will follow a policy that will not only maintain the level of remittances but increases them over the years by aiding and abetting increased illegal emigration from Mexico.

Well, I forgot to mention that besides remittances Mexico gets population relief; mainly poor population. Also, Mexico's birth rate is declining to replacement level, which won't eliminate the need for emigration, but it should help subside it . . . eventually.

What is the nature of this formal agreement? What does Mexico want and what does the U.S. want in the agreement?

Mexico wants a steady stream of legalized emigration into the United States. IIRC, the immigration bill that failed to pass called for 500k guest workers a year. Which is about the number of Mexicans who immigrate illegally into the US every year.

If you factor this into your consumption figure, maybe the net goes negative. Since we hear so much about the poorly paid illegals, how can the consumption be very great for these folks?

I doubt it, because not even close to 51% of our pay checks go to the government.

The poor make it possible for the middle and upper classes to consume the way they do.

This is a fairly astute observation. What kind of education did your grandfather have in Mexico?

Sorry to disappoint ultima, but whatever intelligence my grandfather has came purely from a naturally intelligent, intuitive, and curious mind, because as far as a formal education; he never had any. Well he did have this: He learned to read and write when one fellow passed through his rural area of Mexico and taught whoever else was willing and able. From what he tells us, the "teacher" was allowed to teach in what amounted to a shack of sticks and he taught for three weeks, and then he left—he was the only one of his brothers and sisters who became literate. However, that is obviously not where his education stopped because; he can debate Mexican politics with anyone; he can narrate the basic histories of the Aztecs, Inca, Maya, Mexico and the United States; he can quote and understand scripture; and he even has some understanding of the Mexican economy—probably learned from the numerous devaluations the peso has suffered.

I can tell one little anecdote that displays the type of education he somehow gave himself; last November he was in Texas visiting, Thanksgiving Day came and we all gathered at my family’s house. He, being the true Mexican that he is, refused to eat any of the traditional Thanksgiving dishes-he ate mole and tamales instead—he even refused to join us in prayer, even though he is a devout Catholic, and he openly complained against our celebration citing the injustices committed by Americans against the Native-Americans and Mexicans. For some reason that did not surprise nor spoil any of our appetites—again displaying how indoctrinated every American of every background truly is. What did surprise me and a few of my older cousins was the reason he gave as to why he could not even taste his own daughter’s turkey; it was probably infected with small pox—referring to Jeffery Amherst’s blankets.

What most of us believe, because he won’t tell anyone, is that he learned all of what he
knows from reading my aunts' and uncles' school textbooks—especially those of my aunt and uncle who made it past secondary school, through preparatory school, and the university. In addition to that, so many people in Mexico love to discuss politics—unfortunately so few people vote; unlike here where no one likes to truly talk politics while everyone says they vote—so he would have plenty of people to exchange ideas with and Mexico has always given them a lot of political fodder and political disappointments to talk and vent about—e.g. most recent presidential race.

What I have learned from him has come strictly from attentively—and imaginatively—listening to those discussions like a fly on the wall—I’m way to shy and self-conscience of my Spanish and verbal communication skills in general to ever participate.

The most interesting discussions are those he has with his university-educated son; my uncle believes that Mexico is right in trying again to implement the US model while he believes—undoubtedly remembering those attempts fail miserably throughout his lifetime in Mexico—that that system is the worst system a country like Mexico can adopt because; it will only widen the inequality; increase the poverty; and give the US and Mexico's elites even more influence over Mexican policy. That discussion inevitably morphs into a chicken and egg argument; nonetheless, that is the type discussion that led to many sleepless nights in Mexico and sparked my interest in other forms of government.

I believe you said you were an architect, didn't you?

I work with architects, but I am a faux-architect... a designer/drafter... I enjoy it, but I'm moving on...